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  • The Labour Humanist Group exists to spread awareness of humanism and humanists within the Labour Party and to promote humanist and Labour values. We are committed to:
  • - Fostering a commitment to equality and universal human rights, including the freedom of religion and belief for all people;
  • - Promoting a rational approach to bioethical, medical and scientific issues as the best guarantee of human progress;
  • - Defending and advancing secular government and an open society as the best model of a society where all can be included;
  • - Advocating an inclusive and accommodating education system which can meet the needs of children and parents of different religions and beliefs in a framework common to all, and opposing faith schools and academies;
  • - Defending the secular nature of our public services
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Richard DM

Paul's contribution to the Big Questions was captured well by host Nicky Campbell when he said Paul's desperation to respond, interject and even mock the views of others was like "someone desperate for the toilet."

The forceful presentation of your views was too strong and too self-assured to be taken too seriously, as much as I wanted to.

As for faith schools, St Mary Redcliffe and Temple school in Bristol is proof of a faith school that defies your descriptions and a fantastic example of excellence.

Please don't allow arrogant youthful exuberance to exceed wisdom and maturity. There are many things I now regret saying when I was in my mid thirties.

Rachel Beckett

Faith schools may promote excellence academically. I'm sure there are many excellent public schools that perform likewise.
Religious fervour may propel many student to succeed but it is the divisive "Us and them" mentality that is surely not healthy.
I would have been just as eager as Paul to get my oar in with the load of rubbish that was beinbg spouted by some. Particularly the awful christian women.

Rachel Beckett

The oppinions of someone in their mid 30's are hardly those of the wet-behind-the-ears, inexperienced and half-informed.
Richard DM is rather ageist. Please don't confuse passion and conviction with arrogance. Maybe Richard is too old for passion and has replaced it with pomposity.

David Matcham

So, it is not for their excellence that faith schools are to be castigated, but for the "them and us" attitude they are assumed to be inculcating in students. Heaven forbid that a group of humans should have some sort of identity! The mere fact that this is a labour humanist website excludes me and Richard DM; being human is always going to include a "them and us" attitude. to be a Christian is to not be an atheist, to be a Muslim is to not be a Buddhist, to be an MP is to not be a member of the public etc. To extract a "them and us" mentality from humanity is to destroy that which is Other to ourselves - a totalising puritanism of the severest kind!
The problem, surely, is when the "them and us" mentality is taken to the extreme, becoming a pathology. An academically successful faith school can hardly be accused of this sort of behaviour. In fact, by wishing to promote/impose your own brand of secularism on everyone else, it is you who are being intolerant of others and their otherness.

Richard DM

Rachel, please! Rubbish, spouted, awful, pomposity! You prove my point in your language! Judgement without knowledge. Poor. Ageist? I'm 38, so hardly "old" and as for passion, you clearly have no idea about me, so don't be so quick to pass such humanistic, and dare I say, intolerant views (proven by your language).

Thank you David for highlighting the illogical inconsistencies of the humanists.

"Us and them" - you're as guilty as the rest! Why can't you see it?

Matt

>highlighted the need for politicians to be up-front about their religious beliefs.

Given that your basic position is that religion should be kept purely, and strictly, to the private sphere, why are you demanding that politicians must declare it in public?

Richard DM

Good point Matt, but I humbly observe that there is no response to your question, nor to the issues raised by David. I suspect the humanist agenda is as flawed as any other, and like those they oppose, are too infatuated with their own 'belief system' to see it.

As long as everyone agrees with the Secularist 'bunch' then all will be well in the world. That to me, sounds a little like a dictatorship.

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