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April 21, 2007

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Martin Bentley

An interesting find although I find it slightly objectionable for you to claim that "prominent advocates of secular politics have always come from the left". That suggests that secularism is a left wing value when it is equally a Libertarian value and the recent hijacking of the Right Wing in America by Religion doesn't mean there aren't secular leaning conservatives. I'm a Liberal/Socialist/Libertarian/Humanist they all can comfortably overlap but don't mutually have to be a package. We have many devour Catholic Socialists (despite that churches Fascist history).

Martin Bentley

typo: devour = devout

The Labour Humanist

I wouldn't want to claim secularism exclusively for the left - it would be far better if there was a healthy secular consensus across the political spectrum.

However, in the UK, can you name a single prominent Conservative political figure in the last fifty years who has spoken out in favour of the separation between church and state?

Matt Wardman

>In the UK, can you name a single prominent Conservative political figure in the last fifty years who has spoken out in favour of the separation between church and state?

That depends what you mean by prominent, what you mean by conservative, and what you mean by politician (do you mean MPs or Cabinet Ministers). However, on your doorstep:

BHA "distinguished supporter": Baroness Flather (pulled from the distinguished supporters list of the BHA.

Also, David Starkey (Conservative Party member and NSS Associate).

and - as you say - Matthew Parris.

They probably exist, but I do not have spiriual biographies of 50 years of Tory ministers to hand, nor a weekend to spend on the research.

I also haven't checked through the speakers in the HoL debate on the 19th April.

What *did* surprise was the domination of BHA/NSS "allies" by Labour/New Labour. I checked them all and I reckon it is 85-90% of politicians.

I don't think that supports your claim, however - more to do with the NSS/BHA cosying up to the party in power for influence. Imho they need to do that due to the vanishingly small membership figures.

Matt Wardman

Can I qualify this statement:

>What *did* surprise was the domination of BHA/NSS "allies" by Labour/New Labour. I checked them all and I reckon it is 85-90% of politicians.

I mean politicians within the respective "distinguished supporters" and "associates" lists.

Matt Wardman

Add John Bercow, who has signed the "chuck out the Bishops" EDM". 5 years on Tory front bench.

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